The feminist elite talk back: Dani's story
Categories: Money & work
When Linda Hirshman wrote about how “elite” (read:
college-educated) women who stay at home with their kids
frustrate feminism, it got quite a response from
you all. We continue a series of profiles of moms and whether or not they fit her profile - and whether they think
feminism is dead in their own lives. Tonight, Dani.I graduated Magna Cum Laude from the University of Ottawa (Canada) with a Baccalaureate in Arts, concentration in Communication. (I can hear Hirshman tutt-tutting, but yes, I have a liberal arts education. The horror!) I'm 36 and my boys are almost four and almost two.
When I was a kid, I wanted to be a journalist. When I dropped out of university, I was in pre-journalism (first year). When I went back part-time four years later, I didn't have a 'career goal' per se - I was working full time for the federal government as a clerk, and going back to school was something I did because I wanted to, not because I had to. (I quit university the first time, for whatever it's worth, mostly due to the influence of my now-ex spouse.)
Trite as it seems, I've never been a "career woman". I work because I have to pay the bills. Turns out I am successful and respected in my workplace and considered a "high flyer" and high-potential employee - but all I ever wanted to do was be a mom. Working is just a means to that end.
I work full time, and my husband teaches part-time and stays home with the boys part time. I am finally in my chosen
field of communications, albeit with the government. I'm a senior communications advisor, in the upper-third of the
government hierarchy (call me a 'policy wonk', in Hirshman's terms) one level down from the executive cadre, and
content because it is a job that pays well but is quite family-friendly.
Because I'm in Canada, I had one
year of maternity leave with both boys, and because I work for the federal government, I received a maternity allowance
equal to 93% of my salary for the entire year, both times. Currently, I am at the most successful point in my career,
both in terms of responsibility and remuneration. I have been increasing steadily, and having children hasn't
interfered with my progress.
My husband has more education than me. He has a Fine Arts degree from a
Canadian University, and a two-year college diploma in Animation. He makes less than half of what I make, which is why
I work full time. Even if he were to get a full-time tenured position at the CEGEP (Quebec College) where he teaches, I
would be making about 20 - 30% more than he does. He has more education, I make more money. Take that, Hirshman.
How do you feel you're doing in your career relative to your goals?
(laughing) Well, since I didn't have any real aspirations, I guess I'm pretty satisfied with myself! More seriously, I
have exceeded my own expectations for success in that I am doing a job in the field I chose, and I can balance
reasonably well the demands of my employer and the needs of my family. I make more money than I ever expected I would,
and I've yet to run into any glass ceilings, nor do I see any in my immediate future.
Do you enjoy working? If you could quit, would you?
Yes, I enjoy working. Yes,
I would quit if I could. In a perfect world, I would reverse the roles of my husband and me. I would work 15 hours a
week or so, all flex time and out of the home on my own terms. Even with an extremely family-friendly employer, I do
feel that I am sacrificing family time. But I would be a full-time writer, and handsomely paid for it at that.
Do you feel satisfied with your "choices"?
As I
mentioned in my initial response to your post, I think the whole idea of choice is a myth for most of the middle class.
By the latest stats, 70% of Canadian families have both parents working outside the home. I honestly don't see as how we
had a lot of choices... we live paycheque to paycheque with one car, in a 1500 sq foot townhouse in the suburbs. It's
plenty enough for us, but if it weren't for my husband's part-time salary, we couldn't afford a life anything like
this. Me staying home was simply not a choice - we'd be barely above the poverty line on my husband's salary alone.
Having said that, I don't regret any of it, except the fact that I'd like to be able to spend more time with
the boys.
Household work: who does what? Do
you feel that each partner contributes fairly?
I'm very lucky. My husband takes care of mornings and
getting the kids to daycare on the days he works, and does a lot of tidying and laundry on the days he is home.
He makes simple lunches for the boys when they're home, and I make dinner. (My most reviled task. I hate dinner -
deciding, buying for, making. I hate all of it.) Because of my control issues from a previous marriage, I am in
complete control of family finances. My husband pays for daycare and his outstanding student loans out of his cheque,
and I cover the rest of it - mortgage, groceries, car payment, bills, and all the other major stuff. Savings? What
savings?
How many times have you changed jobs, compared to your
partner?
I've been with the same government department for almost 16 years - since I was 20. However,
I haven't been in the same position / job description for more than two or three years. He finished school four years
ago, and is already on his second career as a teacher - the job as an animator fell through when the bottom dropped out
of the industry here.
Hirshman talks a lot about "social power"
and relative status/power/age when men and women marry. Say a little about your and your partner's balance of
power.
As you've seen, my husband and I are a mirror of the stereotypical family. I'm (mostly) the
breadwinner, he's (mostly) home with the boys. Neither of us come from money or status but rather humble backgrounds.
We're both the first in our families to graduate from university. So, my entire existence flies in the face of
Hirshman's assumptions. I'm the boss, frankly. My husband defers to me in almost all areas of child-rearing, financial
and household decisions, but I think that has more to do with our personalities (I'm bossy, he's laid-back) than any
artificial social construct.
In your opinion, why aren't there more women
in "executive suites" and in other powerful positions? Do you ever imagine yourself there?
Frankly, I don't see why women need to be in executive suites in order to prove feminism as a movement is
successful.
And no, I don't ever see myself there. It's not what I ever wanted for myself. I only want to
work as hard as I need to, not as hard as I can. My life begins at 4 pm.
Hirshman said, "The family -- with its repetitious, socially invisible, physical tasks -- is a necessary
part of life, but it allows fewer opportunities for full human flourishing than public spheres like the market or the
government. This less-flourishing sphere is not the natural or moral responsibility only of women. Therefore, assigning
it to women is unjust. Women assigning it to themselves is equally unjust. To paraphrase, as Mark Twain said, "A
man who chooses not to read is just as ignorant as a man who cannot read.""
I couldn't disagree
with this statement more. Aside from my obvious bias to the value and importance of childrearing, how can the
"decision-making classes -- the senators, the newspaper editors, the research scientists, the entrepreneurs, the
policy-makers, and the policy wonks" be making any more valuable contribution to society than the formation of the
NEXT generation of decision-making classes?
Because I spend all day working with senior executives in
government, I know for the most part what they do during the day, and quite frankly I think the three hours a day I
spend with my children is far more valuable, more fulfilling and more interesting than the 12 hours they spend doing
their senior-executive schtick. After spending the last two days in mind-numbing meetings with top-level government
executives arguing minutia and shuffling papers, I can't see how that provides any better opportunity for a human being
to flourish than vacuuming the living room rug.
At least when you've vacuumed, the rug is clean - I can't say
we've achieved even that much in the past two days.
"Never figure out
where the butter is. "Where's the butter?" Nora Ephron's legendary riff on marriage begins. In it, a man asks
the question when looking directly at the butter container in the refrigerator. "Where's the butter?"
actually means butter my toast, buy the butter, remember when we're out of butter. Next thing you know you're quitting
your job at the law firm because you're so busy managing the butter."
All I have to say to this one
is, life is what you make it. You don't like it, train your husband better. I did.
"Have a baby. Just don't have two... A second kid pressures the mother's organizational skills, doubles
the demands for appointments, wildly raises the cost of education and housing, and drives the family to the suburbs.
But cities, with their Chinese carryouts and all, are better for working mothers."
Another completely
bogus statement, says the working mother of two living happily in the suburbs. If you quantify your decisions about
having children solely on things that make life easier for you, working woman or not, you'd better quit at zero.
Duh, kids are demanding. You need to be a graduate of an elite college to figure this out?
"what [the NYT brides] do is ... bad for society, and is widely imitated... This last
is called the "regime effect," and it means that even if women don't quit their jobs for their families, they
think they should and feel guilty about not doing it."
Okay, this is one
I'm going to give a minor concession to Hirshman on, but only insomuch as the mommy guilt IS prevalent, and can be
crippling - but it's opinions like hers that reinforce the stereotypes that cause mothers to stew in their own
guilt.
Hirshman says, 'Good psychological data show that the more women
are treated with respect, the more ambition they have. And vice versa. The opt-out revolution is really a downward
spiral.'
I guess I'm an anomaly on this one. I've got plenty of self-respect, and have been told my whole
life there is nothing I can't do. And while I am pleased to be a successful professional, I would never consider myself
ambitious. Ambition has become a dirty word - call me a self-starter, energetic, a high flyer, but don't call me
ambitious.
And how exactly is Hirshman treating women with respect by accusing them of opting out when they
prioritize their families over financial gain?
Born in 1969, I guess I'm a second generation feminist, and
the simple fact that I've become a woman in a position of moderate power, financially capable of supporting my own
family without sacrificing personal balance, is exactly how feminism IS working today. I'm not rabid about my rights
and choices as a woman, but there was never any doubt in my mind as a child or subsequently that I was capable of doing
whatever I wanted and achieving anything I set my mind to. THAT's what feminism and equality mean to me. While I may
gripe about it, while I might daydream of a sugar-daddy or a lotto win or some other magical force to take me out of
the daily grind of the workplace, at the end of the day I can fall asleep each night knowing I have done right by my
boys, by my husband and most importantly, by my own standards. </rant>
It just drives me endlessly
insane to see these categories being invented in much the way marketers create needs, then market products to satisfy
those needs. Castigating mothers for choosing to stay home is no better than castigating mothers who have to work.
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Reader Comments (Page 1 of 1)
Sarah 1-26-2006 @ 8:01AM
"I only want to work as hard as I need to, not as hard as I can. My life begins at 4 pm."
Well said, Dani. I completely understand how you feel!
Thanks Blogging Baby for continuing to explore this complex issue. It always makes for compelling reading.
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Kris 1-26-2006 @ 9:41AM
Dani,
So well said. Many, many gems in here. I was born in '69 also, and grew up being told I could be and do whatever I wanted in life. My mom worked because she had to, and she had it kind of hard. Now I stay home and feel so priviledged to be able to do so. Could I put the kids in daycare and pursue my "ambitions"? Sure. But that's not where my happiness resides.
Again, well said Dani! Now, if I could just train my husband better.... ;)
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Susanna 1-26-2006 @ 11:09AM
Thanks again for this series of interviews. They are truly enjoyable and eye-opening. I am not a mother, or close to becoming a mother, but I have realized that I had been influenced by this prejudice that being a full time mom was, as Hirshman says, "mind-numbing." On the other hand, I was raised by at stay-at-home mom, who loved it 100% and, as a child, I loved being the kid who was not cared for by strangers. Thus, I have always believed that having the opportunity of being able to stay with my future kid(s) would be ideal. Hirsham article is disparaging towards mothers and women, who are now made to feel the burden of societal issues. Feminism is about empowering women to choose their own paths, about fostering unimpeded human flourishing. Great job, Blogging Baby!
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Julia 1-26-2006 @ 11:36AM
This series has been so interesting; I so appreciate hearing about the experiences and attitudes of various women about these issues.
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meg 1-26-2006 @ 12:42PM
This is, by far, the best of these stories (for me anyways). Her points are so valid. I would love to see senators pushing a vacuum on the house floor for 10 minutes before they were given a chance to speak! They'd get a lot more done, in my opinion.
I truly believe that feminism is alive and well and doing just what it ought- allowing women the freedom to chose any path they wish without fear of social or moral retribution.
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Devra 1-27-2006 @ 8:28AM
Having surveyed over 1300 parents on the topic of "Mommy Guilt" for my book of the same name, I can say for sure moms working outside of the home and moms staying home experience Mommy Guilt, BUT in our survey we found no appreciable difference in the amount of guilt they felt. Both feel Mommy Guilt,but for different reasons like Dani mentions in her post. Moms who are home are concerned they aren't "giving" to the family economically and/or using their education, moms who are employdd outside of the home are concerned they aren't emotionally supporting their family and/or prioritizing the family. But the bottom line is we all have unique families, made up of unique individuals. Diversity in family and work is integral to our diversity as a society. If we all did the same things, we would live in a stagnant society. Yawn! Mommy Guilt will always be present and, as Dani points out, moms get societal pressure to feel one way or another about their work/family. Do what is best for YOU and YOUR family. Linda Hirshman doesn't live with you. And from what I have read of her, she seems like she'd be pretty high maintenance if she did. ; )
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